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    Learning Without Scars
    S1 E68•November 11, 2021•20 min

    Mets Kramer and Ron continue their discussion on the Digital Dealership (3 of 4)

    Send us Fan Mail (https://www.buzzsprout.com/1721145/fan_mail/new) This Candid Conversation with Mets pulls together the first five Podcasts we have had on the Digital Dealership. We conclude this series with the Audience, The Segments, The Contacts, The Products, and the Channels. You can see that this is just work. As Mets suggests we are working with a Three-Dimensional Chess Board. This is a very important Candid Conversation. Visit us at LearningWithoutScars.org (https://www.LearningWithoutScars.org) for more training solutions for Equipment Dealerships - Construction, Mining, Agriculture, Cranes, Trucks and Trailers. We provide comprehensive online learning programs for employees starting with an individualized skills assessment to a personalized employee development program designed for their skill level.

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    0:20

    Aloha, and welcome to another candid conversation. This afternoon, we're joined with Metz Kramer. Metz and I have been discussing the digital dealership in a series of podcasts. And today, we want to try and wrap a few things together that will make some sense of the complication that we've given to you. First, we touched on the jargon that's unique to the digital world. Then we looked at defining the customers and the market segments. That led us into a strategy. And that led us into selecting products and services that we were going to give to the market. And then last one, we talked about the channels. And each layer, it's like the reverse peeling of an onion. We're adding more and more and more complications. And Mets closed the last one off saying that we didn't want to confuse the customer by having too many channels. So I want to pick up from that point and saying, okay.

    1:16

    How do we combine these things all together, the audience and the segment and the content and the channel and make some sense out of it? And I'm relying on you, young man, to be able to tell me how the heck to do that.

    1:29

    I still really enjoy being called young man.

    1:33

    Everything's relative, my friend. How do we put these things together to make sense for us first?

    1:44

    So it's work. You need to write this out. You know, I've put together some workshop sheets to help dealers walk through this discussion because it's in starting to write it out that it just all starts to make sense. You know, if what we're really trying to do is find these intersections between the audience segments, what defines the audience. the content that we want to the types of content the the product that's in the content and then the challenge the channel where we expect to find the audience that we're looking for you know and and so it's just you can use a matrix little grid um to do it but it's really just saying okay this is the audience segment that i want to go after and why do i want to go after this right so you can say these are my existing customers, and I've segmented them by the fact that we don't see them using the shop. And then we say, okay, so that's my audience segment.

    2:54

    And the product that we're going to place there is some products related to service. And we also want to understand then what kind of content is going to pull or educate the people in that audience segment about the service product. Am I going to do a video that shows what's happening in the shop, the types of things that we do, our paint shop? I've seen that one of the dealers I work with does these great videos out of their paint shop that are just super engaging. And everyone now understands that that dealer offers that. And then we look for the channel. We say, okay, we've defined that we're after existing customers who don't use our service department. We've got this great video about what happens on our service department day to day. And what were this product we want to sell as them to bring their machines in. And then the final thing is, OK, where does the video play well?

    3:58

    What channel do I both know my audience is on and that likes videos? You know, there are platforms that are much better for videos. Everyone knows TikTok now. My wife makes fun of me for being on it, you know, but it's videos. That's where you put it, right? LinkedIn loves videos as well, but people don't do as much of it. You can send video through email a little bit. So you've got to kind of think through these things, right? And that's just piece by piece, one dimension at a time, building that strategy up.

    4:38

    Yeah, that's really valid. the using the video as, as another illustration of change and transition. You know, we have YouTube out there. We have Vimeo out there. We have TikTok out there. And there's other people that are doing the same type of thing. Some of our audience want the video. Some of them will want the Vimeo professionalism. Some of them will want the TikTok excitement. And that's part of our, quote, segmentation, isn't it? Yep. In service, let me, you mentioned something that I don't want anybody to forget. This is work. This is not easy, quick stuff. This is work. Yep. In service, we've got engines, we've got transmission, we've got hydraulics, we've got electrical. We've got inspections, we've got maintenance, we've got recalls. We have those products, let me call them. In parts, we've got bearings and hardware and filters and fluids and hose and fittings and commodities.

    5:47

    We're not talking about something that's two or three things. It's not Coca-Cola and Coke, no sugar or whatever the heck the different things are. It's Diet Coke and here we go. But this is complicated. Do you advocate? So we've got this marketing umbrella. And my desire to have somebody own that thing. Should we have somebody that owns every one of those segments, the six or seven service and the 10 or 15 parts?

    6:23

    I think you definitely need to build some expertise or like we've talked about in doing data analysis, rent in the expertise. There are people who understand what plays well and how to play it and how to use the systems of Facebook. better than any of us will do if we're running our day-to-day job and we're trying to learn on the side. It's definitely worth whatever dollars it takes to bring someone in for a period of time to teach you and help set it up. You can blow your brains out on Google AdWords if you go in by yourself and set it up and pay for clicks and you can get all kinds of traffic and none of it's valuable. You hire someone who understands how it works. And you'll start getting less traffic, but it's the kind of people that you want.

    7:15

    So now we're talking about something that's going to be an interesting concept for a lot of dealers to get over. In the service department, we have technicians to do the repairs. In the parts department, we have people to sell the parts on the phone and the counter. In the equipment sales group, we have salesmen in the field. In the rental, we have rental instigators and agents. In this particular case, I don't necessarily want to have an employee. I want a contract with this.

    7:45

    Yeah, that would be my recommendation. I still use them. When I set up my AdWords, I call a friend or colleague who knows it inside and out. And I say, hey, just give me a couple hours of your time and help me get this debt on. Because otherwise, every day I'm spending, even if it's just $20 a day on it, it really starts to add up if it's wrong.

    8:07

    Yeah. And like you say, we get all these eyeballs looking at it, all these clicks, but no action. It's appealing to somebody, but it doesn't provoke an action that we're after. Yeah.

    8:19

    Just because it's accessible in developing the content and getting it out because it's all on your laptop doesn't mean you should do it. Right. It's like you could print your own brochures off of the color printer in your office, but you wouldn't send them out. You send them to a graphics house that cleans up the graphics and prints it properly, and it looks professional. It's no different. Just because it's accessible doesn't mean that you need to do it yourself. There's definitely better ways.

    8:50

    So to me, then, it starts with the company website.

    8:58

    My favorite topic.

    9:00

    It's rather interesting, isn't it? They're like they're homogenous now.

    9:05

    They are.

    9:06

    How did we get ourselves here? Is it because we were lazy and we just copied or what?

    9:14

    Personally, I think like, I don't know, you can confirm this because you've seen the history of this. But the website, the company website started as a billboard. Yep. It was like, oh, I want to, I need a website. Everyone has a website. We can't be a real dealership if we don't have a website. So, okay, well, put up a website. Well, what do we say? Well, just say some stuff about who we are. And it probably sold a list, you know, some information about our machines that we have, you know, and we should tell them that we have service. Okay, good. We'll do one page on service, which is like the most, what I see most of the time, like one or three quarters of a page on the service department. And what it assumes is that, you know, everyone coming to your website is the same audience member, the same audience segment. They're like people who don't do business with me. A website is like for people who don't do business with me.

    10:12

    And then it's, it's difficult, isn't it? Every now and again, we have a little bit of a freeze on the network. So what, what Mets is leading to is when we started with the, the internet, there was a storefront. Everybody had the same darn vision, the same color scheme, et cetera, et cetera. And then we started loading other things on and they were kind of afterthoughts, but none of them really were provoking action. Like Metz was saying, somebody comes in, they've never seen your website. Oh, way to go. But what are you trying to do is really what that comes down to, doesn't it?

    10:55

    Yeah, I think it's as important as it is. It's also the one that defines. understanding or make it easy for people to understand what an audience means, right? Like what the difference between your audience members is. It's like if you go to, we've talked about this in the past, but if you go to Amazon, then you go to Amazon because you want to buy something. And two, it kind of remembers you from the last time you were there and the thing you didn't buy, it's reminding you you should buy. And it recognizes why it's there and why should... Why would you go to Amazon if the first thing you came to is like this generic Amazon, who are we? Website. That the first thing you do, you have to look through that. And then if they click through over here and say, I want to go shopping. So, no, of course I want to go shopping. That's why I'm here. I don't, if I want to learn about, you know, you're thinking through what people are there to do.

    11:53

    And the website is responsive to that. And the dealership website should be no different. If someone keeps coming back to your website, which your website knows. then it should know where they're going and why they're there. And then the next time they show up there, just take them there. Like they don't need to read again about the history of your cat dealership, which is on the first page.

    12:15

    Yeah. Yeah. And it's what, what I used to lovingly called yada, yada, yada, kind of from Seinfeld, you know, that we got everything that anybody wanted to know about you, but it's all about our egos. It's about what we don't want people to know. Amazon really defined the world for us, didn't they? America Online first, back in the 70s, and they kind of introduced to the world the internet as a social communications device. And then it's been struggling ever since then. Amazon showed us the commercial side of things, and they recognized a hole with bookstores. That's where they started. priced their books more cheaply at a lower price point than the bookstore did. They justified that by their delivery system costs. They didn't have to have the inventory, et cetera, et cetera. Now they're morphing into the fact they got warehouses and distribution centers and inventory. And here we go.

    13:17

    But the whole thing constantly is evolving based on what the customer is telling us they need.

    13:24

    Yeah, they're analyzing their data. and applying what they learn from the data to make their, the visitor's experience more applicable.

    13:35

    It's, you know, as somebody who has a website out there and it's, I like to think it's content rich, it's very difficult to, you almost have to get a completely different, what's the purpose of your website? What's the purpose of your company? What's the purpose of that channel? And going back to the beginning of this discussion, this is hard work. There's no avoiding it.

    14:02

    There is no avoiding it. But we've always done hard work, haven't we? Everything's always been hard work.

    14:11

    Yeah, some of us don't find work hard because we like it so much. Some of us are idiots that way. But this whole channel segment, contact points, audience, that's really where it comes together. And I'm not so sure that you haven't got it right on the head. Those services should be outsourced because it's a specialized industry.

    14:39

    Yeah, bring knowledge. Yeah. It's why your customer brings you in to talk about the equipment they're thinking about buying for the project they have because you're the expert. So why wouldn't you do the same thing and bring someone who's an expert in? whatever channel you want to think about in to help contribute. I think that's what would help a lot of dealers that you see where they have someone running their social account on whatever platform and or the opposite where you have your sales reps spending all their time posting content because they think it's important for the dealership. I think someone who has a better understanding of what the platform is meant to do could help close that.

    15:26

    In other words, we shouldn't have individuals creating content without somebody in the company vetting it.

    15:37

    Vetting, guiding, teaching.

    15:40

    Filtering.

    15:41

    Yeah, understanding what makes for good content, what ranks well.

    15:48

    And similarly, anybody who has an email address. Should be the same format for everybody in the company. Anybody who has a Zoom background or a Teams bed should be the same for everybody in the company. There needs to be consistency, doesn't there?

    16:02

    It makes it work better. Like, are you on Twitter? Yeah. Yeah. How many people are following you?

    16:12

    On Twitter, I've got three different accounts, and it's about 3,000 between the three. And I don't know. This is my Luddite. I don't know how to consolidate those three. I had the same thing with LinkedIn. I started LinkedIn with three because I had three corporations. Yeah. And okay, finally, and I figured out how to do it with LinkedIn. And I got the same problem with Facebook. And then with Google Analytics, that's what comes back in here. And I'm trying to do this myself. And yes, like you, I've asked some friends because I'm too cheap to go the whole way with it. SEOs from Google are tricky. Key words, hashtags, tricky. So we're trying to make sense out of it ourselves. And, you know, it's and we've got three main purposes. Dealerships got a heck of a lot more than that. But, you know, ours are transferring information, podcasts, blogs, newsletters, et cetera. Yeah. Employees assessments.

    17:14

    What's the knowledge and skills of the employees for product support? And then finally, the classes. to help develop those skills. With this, the outside agency needs to direct me, lead me, guide me on how I bring it out. And then somebody inside has to be that product expert. You're the telematics expert. You're the free transportation expert or what transportation logistics is there. It's a complicated world.

    17:42

    Yeah. Yeah.

    17:46

    Perhaps that's one of the reasons why digital dealerships have had a difficult time getting off the ground. people start looking at it and say, gee, this is complicated. This is a lot. I don't understand. I'll do this later.

    17:58

    Yeah, but someone will do it. Someone's going to keep figuring out more and more of it, and it will continue to become an advantage. You know, as people drift in that direction, there's no reason not to. And I think, like, if we look at, we're technical people, right? Like, most of the people in the equipment business, they're pretty technical. They like equipment. They don't have any problem learning technical things about machines or parks or the service department. They're all pretty technical people. We've learned all of this about our equipment and the specs and what it can do. I mean, it's really not that different. So it shouldn't be off-putting. It actually should be like right up our alleys. Like, oh, you mean there's a technical thing that I could learn about that would help me? you know, sell and promote and communicate with my customers in a better way. Well, that's easy because we're technical people.

    18:53

    Yeah. And I guess that puts a bow on this particular podcast also. And that's a nice way of wrapping the audience and the segment and the contacts and the channels all together to close that. Is that a fair comment?

    19:09

    I always think you know when to cut us off.

    19:15

    Thank you, Mets, and mahalo to everybody who's been listening this afternoon. I look forward to seeing you again in another podcast with Mets and others in the near future. Mahalo.

    19:27

    Thank you for listening to our podcast. We appreciate your support. Should you have any thoughts or comments, please don't hesitate to contact us at www. learningwithoutscars. com. The time is now. Mahalo.

    Mets Kramer and Ron continue their discussion on the Digital Dealership (3 of 4)

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